Completely agree. Pietersen is a fool for putting himself ahead of the team. Have lost all faith in England now.
Pietersen reign over after five months
By Mark Tilley 6 months ago Add your comment below
What an unholy mess. Kevin Pietersen resigning, Peter Moores being forced to resign and English cricket imploding on itself - just in time, perfectly, for this years Ashes clash. If things were in a bad state before, they’re even worse now.
You can find out all the in-detail news on this latest fiasco from the Cricinfo experts at http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/england/content/current/story/385633.html.
Far be it from me to know what is best for English cricket but, in my humble opinion, for Pietersen to demand a change of coach and to declare that he wouldn’t tour the West Indies under the current management is farcical and childish. Moores may not be the world’s best coach but can it really be that difficult to play under him? One can only assume that there is something we are not being told about their relationship.
Where now for England? Back to Andrew Strauss as captain? Will KP play for England again? As always, thoughts and comments are encouraged.
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Tags: conflict, england, kevin-pietersen, Peter-Moores, the-ashes |
24 Responses to “Pietersen reign over after five months”
January 7th, 2009 at 2.40 pm
January 7th, 2009 at 2.46 pm
Please add some value in your blog. Everyone can read the news….tell us what you think will happen next and whether it should happen or not….
Sorry for being so negative….
January 7th, 2009 at 4.13 pm
I agree, Pietersen’s ego getting the better of him here. Unless Strauss comes into the ODI squad as well, surely we’ll have split captaincy again?
January 7th, 2009 at 4.43 pm
A sorry state of affairs for English cricket.
As I have stated before, Moores should have stayed- if the players have their way we’ll return to the days of Illy, Bumble, Micky Stewart et al. Ex players who are ill equipped with the complexities and disciplines required in today’s fast moving modern game.
It is widely recognised that the likes of Illy et al wasted a generation of talent at their disposal in the likes of Devon Malcolm, Chris Lewis, Hick and Ramprakash.
Moores, needed time to quell the ghost of Fletcher and Vaughan and assert his own personility on the team. His record has been indifferent but I feel it will have improved and felt that England were in a strong position to win back the Ashes- albeit against a weakened Australia.
KP and his advisers including Beefy have behaved in a selfish, arrogant and stubborn manner. I think KP is a great batter- and capable of scoring 30 centuries and 10000 test runs, however he has always been a very selfish person. In my view in the end, he will turn his back on the England set up in favour of the IPL circus just like his fellow countryman Tony Greig did 30 or so years ago.
So they are likely to return to Struass- who I feel should have been given the job ahead of Freddie, the problem with this appointment is that Struass’s batting has been found out by bowlers who bowl full and straight and he is not in the One day or 20/20 side.
Robert Key has been discussed as potential candidate- he is not an international class of player in any of the 3 forms of the game. His captaincy may be fine for Kent CCC but not for Team England. I am sure that his style of captaincy will appeal more to the likes of Freddie- who will no douibt be encouraged to repeat the infamous pedalo incident of the last world cup.
In terms of coach, they may turn to Ashley Giles- this would be a mistake as I’m sure it will open the door again for Vaughan Gilo’s long time buddy and golfing partner.
Ford of Kent is my candidate, otherwise John Wright, Tom Moody and Dav Whatmore are the list of candidates who could slot in easily. It would be too far fetched to entice John Buchanan- only because his style is not dis-similar to that of Moores.
January 7th, 2009 at 8.10 pm
I’m convinced there is more going on behind the scenes, more to this, than we are seeing right now. If one of the reasons Vaughan resigned was difficulties with Moores, than can we blame this whole thing on Pietersen’s ego? I thought KP handled things very well in the resumption of the India tour. Why has his credit suddenly gone from hero to zero? I suspect it’s been badly handled at board level. And it’s a shame. I also suspect there are plenty of egos in that team besides the (former) captains, egos doing some undermining that we are not really aware of. I’m sad for KP — I think he’s been doing his best for England, not for himself.
January 7th, 2009 at 8.30 pm
It would be ironic if Strauss captained England to win the Ashes after being rejected as captain for the last Ashes and then nearly losing his place as a batsman.
At this point, though, I’d hesitate to recommend as captain anyone who was involved with the 2005 Ashes win, as that event seems to have created some sort of cultural or psychological rift. Maybe they should find a Kolpak captain who has never met anyone on the team.
January 7th, 2009 at 9.15 pm
What a laugh. Pietersen was always a gamble, and the gamble has failed - but better now than after the WI series. If Moores couldn’t manage him then it’s better he’s gone too. This would not have happened under Fletcher or Woolmer, if he had lived to be the England top man.
Strauss will be an adequate captain, the question is will KP still fit into the team, be part of the senior management, and put this behind him, or will he find that he’s burned one too many bridges?
Regardless of whether KP continues to play, England have enough quality to compete for the Ashes but only if this is resolved in the caribbean.
January 7th, 2009 at 10.26 pm
I really felt that KP had a lot of what England needed in a captain: ballsy, indomitable, and a hell of a batsman.
But I guess in the end he was just too much of a cock.
January 8th, 2009 at 4.36 am
CRACK.
….and agood thing too.As I pointed out a while ago the Sussex Mafia must go;and as also said KP should be dropped-his batting is spasmodic,he’s a part part time bowler and he can’t field.He is a liability,Robin Smith he is not.Captaincy-don’t even think…
Bell is a natural no.6.
End of CRACK.
P.S.Why don’t we just pick a team of keepers? Most have been picked and they coudn’t do any worse.
If you wan’t sense,try another blog.
Soon be time for the real crack.
January 8th, 2009 at 11.07 am
i think england r doing australia a favour if australia r a weak team than england r weaker
January 8th, 2009 at 11.12 am
and there is a mre insane board than bcci good heavens!
January 8th, 2009 at 12.12 pm
Dear Santa, thank you so much. I did want a bike but the resignation of a prat and the sacking of the coach. Just add Warne as interim advisor and I promise to be a good boy in 2009.
January 8th, 2009 at 12.13 pm
Kathy - very insightful - it hadn’t occurred to me that Moores might have had a hand in MPV’s resignation.
I think what KP lacks in subtlety and politic he makes up for in cojones; sadly it appears to have been his downfall.
January 8th, 2009 at 1.45 pm
RE Puneet:
If you’re not going to make constructive comments then don’t bother. ‘Add value to the blog?’ If you crave opinion so much watch Jeremy Kyle.
I for one enjoyed the piece, and I’m a keen advocate of the old guard. Pieterson was never right for the job, nor was Peter Moores.
My choice for captain? Alan Mullally. And while you’re at it bring back Croft, Gough, Ealham, Tudor and Caddick.
January 8th, 2009 at 3.59 pm
can anyone spell F A R C E!
Sweep the cupboard clean - do what SA did and pick young players for 2 years and put up with the results!
Where is Rob Key when you need him - captain, batsman, solid head on wise (if slightly large) shoulders.
January 8th, 2009 at 5.18 pm
England have never won a world cricket event like the 50-50 or 20-20 WC or ICC Champions trophy.
You might never ever do it if you continue to act like buffoons.
KP is the best thing that’s happened to your cricket for some time now & it’s not about egos here.To me it’s clear that the England Board guys axed KP coz they didn’t want to be seen as cowing down to his demands.
Thats a very poor way to go about things.You can never please everyone.Surest form of failure is to try & please everyone coz you end up pleasing none.
Why does Pakstan & to a lesser extent India get gems such as Waqar Younus & Mahendra Dhoni even Munaf Patel from nowhere??COz some1 there has the freaking balls to say ,”Right,this kids talented.He’s not necessarily a product of the system but lets pick him anyway”.
Younus was a net bowler,Inzy was spotted playing for a club,Munaf was playing on dustbowl grounds(yes grounds not wickets-No grass grounds) when he was recommended to Ranji Teams & Dhoni was picked for India ‘A’ from Jharkhand which is known more for its jungles.
You guys have a fantastic structure with oodles of money in domestic cricket & yet your secretaries don’t have the balls to say “KP’s right.Moores is yellow like Atherton’s teeth & he should go.That doesn’t make us look small.Even if it does lets take one for the team.”
You aren’t kneeling to him,just agreeing with him.
Aussies have a lot more guts & common sense than you too.
All things said,England did invent & popularise the game.No1 wants to see you become another WestIndies.As much as it pains me saying this but I hope you do better & your team doesn’t slide further than #6 in tests.
January 9th, 2009 at 1.32 am
RE: Sunny Singh
The majority of your comments smack of an anti-English nature and are quite insulting. Making childish references about Mike Atherton and saying that we are all ‘buffoons’ aren’t going to gain you any credibility.
KP isn’t neccessarily right and surely the team would have been better off had he not made such a big fuss and just played under Moores without making grand ultimatums to get attention and power.
Mihir Bose put it right on the BBC website, saying that KP told th ECB that he wouldn’t play under Moores. The ECB told KP that they valued his opinion but wouldn’t take orders from him.
KP’s ego has once again been his downfall. Fact.
January 9th, 2009 at 5.17 pm
Does seem as though KP did much wrong to me. He took his complaint about Moores through the proper channels (Morris - who just happens to be a close personal friend of the ex coach…) and then Giles Clarke.
So far so good - but then reports of the meeting with Clarke were leaked.
I’m starting to sniff an ECB stitch up here - especially since ’senior ECB spokesmen’ were quoted in the paper this morning saying that KP wanted to get rid of Flower too.
Well run companies tend to restrict what their employees can say to the press when there’s an internal crisis - but then we know the ECB is pretty dysfunctional at the best of times.
Wonder how they’ll contrive to cock up the appointment of a new coach - because you know they will!
January 11th, 2009 at 5.29 am
Sam:
Throughout that post I use you to describe your board guys.Not you fans.I’m OK with you fans.
Atherton??First he can brush his teeth before he gets taken seriously.Is that anti-English??Sounds anti-Atherton & anti-unhygeinic to me.I’m OK with Botham,Hussain & Bumble.Now, how am I anti-english??
You are a moron & of that there can’t be any doubt.
“Mihir Bose put it right on the BBC website, saying that KP told the ECB that he wouldn’t play under Moores. The ECB told KP that they valued his opinion but wouldn’t take orders from him.”
Thats exactly the point I made my touchy friend.Just coz you agree with him at the same point of time doesn’t mean you’re taking orders from him.If I were the guy in charge of hiring/firing the coach I’d have fired him.Not coz KP ‘ordered’ me around but coz I was also of the same opinion.If your board guys genuinely believed that your ex-coach should stay on than they could have communicated that to the captain saying”Sorry man,we think he’s OK & should stay”.Or the other point of view where he gets the axe which I have explained.
Your board guys come up with a ‘fantastic’ solution of axing the only bright spot apart from highly overworked,eccentric Flintoff’s bowling-Pietersen’s captaincy & his batting as a captain.Must be demoralising for him when some egoistic jokers tell him no we won’t value your opinion.
Very recently,MS Dhoni I believe told the selectors,”You make me captain & never listen to me.If you don’t want to listen to me than don’t make me captain” when they wanted to axe RP Singh.Situation was handled in a much better way.Like me,those guys saw just 2 options-stick to your decision if you’re really sure about it or listen to your captain & give him the guy he wants even if you want some1 else.They stuck to their decision & RP was axed & wasn’t considered in the next selection meeting that happened for ODI’s & also was excluded from India’s test squad.
January 11th, 2009 at 5.41 am
RE: Sam
Atherton is quite wierd and could do with some teeth-whiteners.Why are you sticking up for him?
This is an English Blog but also a part-time anti-Indian one too.We don’t whine like you.
Please wake up to the fact that your team is the worst ODI team in the world alongwith the windies and is slowly but surely getting there in tests as well.
Mihir Bose is Bengali.Never listen to a bengali.They’re crazy.LOL.
Since you like facts let me give you one.Allan Lamb has played more cricket than any bengali bose hasn’t he?
He says Engish cricket’s become the laughing stock of the world.
SO who shall it be then Bengali completely crazy bose or Allan slightly crazy Lamb?
January 11th, 2009 at 5.43 am
BTW your sticking up for the ECB and Atherton of all people is hugely childish.
January 12th, 2009 at 12.58 pm
RE: The Balti Brigade -
You’re constant ribbing of Atherton is laughable. If you want to mess around and annoy everyone join the Indian cricket team.
Zaheer Khan is a drug addict. Discuss that one you mugs.
January 13th, 2009 at 3.59 am
Hey Pipe
Wat is dis Atherton business.
Pietersen’s reign is over.Might be a good thing for England too.
Zaheer is a junkie now.Were you on drugs when you typed that.
If you like Atherton so much go marry him then.I know its allowed in Britain .
February 1st, 2009 at 3.28 pm
Sunny Singh’s comments regarding Mihir Bose only re-inforce my opinion of him and of his ilk as mentioned in my post in 2broad shoulders”- There is no risposte to his calling me mother theresa in the broad shoulders post- but I think Sunny Singh has been outed for the Alf garnett he is
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