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    Strauss off Key?

    By Ian last year, mid-August Leave a comment on this post

    Sorry about the contrived headline, but it is fairly self-explanatory. Has Andrew Strauss failed to deliver for too long? It’s been forever since he last scored a Test hundred, while his one good knock this summer was gifted by Dinesh Karthik’s appalling drop. All the other batsmen have scored tons, while he has struggled to convert, despite getting a few starts.

    There’s no doubting his class, but is it time to try someone else? Robert Key would jump at the chance, as would Ravi Bopara. Or does Andrew Flintoff bat six when he returns, with Ian Bell going to three? Perhaps Strauss should get yet another chance, given he has managed to get to 30 regularly and is possibly one big score from finding top form.

    For what it’s worth, I’d go with Rob Key.

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    23 Responses to “Strauss off Key?”

  • The Bear wrote:
    August 13th, 2007 at 1.49 pm

    I’m afraid it’s not taken me long to get fed up with the Moores regime. It’s all talk isn’t it? First we had Bell banging on about ruthlessness (I like the ruthless way we allowed Kumble to get a ton, nice one lads), then we had the immaturity of the jelly beans, and now we have a severe problem with the batting.

    Moores has to make some “tough decisions”; although what’s so tough about dropping an opener who struggles to get past 20 is beyond me. Yes he’s been a good player in the past. No, he doesn’t look like a good player any more.

    What does Thin Bob Key have to do to get back in? Or Shah for that matter?

    For what it’s worth, I’d drop Strauss and Bell. Bring in Key and Flintoff, and push Vaughan up to open. The Cook-Strauss axis is one of the least successfull opening partnerships ever. Cook-Vaughan may be better. I’d have Shah as first batting reserve. Someone is bound to get ill / injured in Sr-Lanka. And at a push, Thin Bob could open.

    At the moment the batting is looking like a closed shop again. Moores must act now, or be accused of being nothing more than a Fletcherite lickspittle.

  • Ottayan wrote:
    August 13th, 2007 at 2.11 pm

    Why are you always on Key? ( Sorry about the contrived sentence.)

  • King Cricket wrote:
    August 13th, 2007 at 3.50 pm

    We haven’t come across pro-Key sentiments much of late. How nice.

    The thinking seems to be that Flintoff can only ever be one-fifth of a bowling attack and never a quarter, in which case there’s no opening even if Strauss is dropped.

    But why should that be? Either Flintoff’s fit to bowl or he’s not.

    England should play four bowlers, one of whom’s Flintoff with Rob Key at three and Vaughan opening. Better batting at the top of the order. Better batting in the lower order.

  • lee c wrote:
    August 13th, 2007 at 4.26 pm

    I agree. Colleague of mine wrote a very good muse on this yesterday, particularly about Australia not benig afraid to go back to players who were disappointing in their first outings as Test players. (Hayden anyone?)

    http://www.thegoogly.com/2007/08/england—back-.html

  • Edd wrote:
    August 13th, 2007 at 4.31 pm

    Our batting really would be strengthened if Fred went in at 7 instead of 6, with the keeper at 8 (Foster really should go on tour to SL as well as Prior)

    Strass really needs the winter off to sort out both his head and technique. He’s been in pieces in ODI’s for ages. I agree that Key and Shah should go on tour, but would prefer to see Shah in the team - give him 3 games against Sri Lanka and with his technique he could make some big runs.

    As for the bowlers, the selectors have got a challenge to choose 4 from arguably 7 pace bowlers. If we’re worried about the batting then what about taking Broad? The only bankers are Fred and Sidebottom (what a great summer he’s had!) with Plunkett nowhere near the airport. Take your pick from Anderson/Harmison/Hoggard/Tremlett/Broad. And a 2nd spinner to support Monty? Hmmmm

    The squad will provide some contentious copy in the papers I’m sure.

  • kenans wrote:
    August 13th, 2007 at 10.09 pm

    drop bell for key? that’s absurd thinking.

    it basic averages

    key -
    tests 31.00
    odis 10.80
    fc 40.65

    bell -
    tests 41.41
    odis 34.95
    fc 42.82

    test average for bell is doubtless higher after a couple of fifties in this test too.

    it’s a no brainer. further, there’s no point wasting all this building time to dump him now for an older, less-experienced county stalwart.

    take bopara or shah by all means, leave key where he belongs.

  • JII wrote:
    August 14th, 2007 at 6.03 am

    Before we start discussing about the future, let’s discuss the present and immediate past. England, led by no less a person than Michael Vaughan lost a home series for the first time since 2001, and that too quite comprehensively. But, I didn’t see anybody discussing it here. England can become a great test team only if it gets rid of its fixation with Australia. Accept it. Ashes 2005 was an exception (due to a combination factors, Glenn McGrath’s absence being one of them) and not the rule. England (and for that matter any other team) is a much inferior team than Australia. You have to first start regularly beating India, SA, Pak, NZ, SL etc before you can start thinking of challenging Aus. Because, there is very little to choose between these 5 teams. What I noticed in this blog during the just concluded Ind-Eng series was just apathy and indifference as if it didn’t matter. All this while a closely contested series was being played. I’m sure there things would have been different had England won.

  • Chris wrote:
    August 14th, 2007 at 8.15 am

    Have to agree with JII. I kept looking for a thread about the last couple of tests, (finally have fox so I can watch them now), and was disappointed.

  • Ian wrote:
    August 14th, 2007 at 9.54 am

    JII and Chris, I agree to a certain extent.
    The Test summer has been low key for a few reasons, in my opinion. For one, we beat the Windies easily by playing ok cricket. Then the Indian series was determined by rain (Lords) and a couple of good tosses, although the Indians probably shaded it overall. Perhaps it ought to have been a five match series throughout the summer?
    I am delighted though that the 2005 defeat still hurts so much. Sure, luck conspired against Australia, but you really ought to let that go. We’re certainly not the team we were back then, but then neither are you and it will be interesting to see how you go without McGrath and Warne. When your two other very special players from that era (Ponting and Gilchrist) retire, there will be a big hole to fill. I suspect you’ll come back down to our level before we come up to yours.

  • JII wrote:
    August 14th, 2007 at 11.58 am

    Ian,
    BTW, I’m not Oz, I’m Indian:-). And just as you don’t want to give credit to luck for the 2005 win, I don’t want you to give luck with the toss as an excuse for this series loss. India deserved to win this series 2-1. They were outplayed in the 1st test. But, returned the compliment in the last 2 tests.

  • Ian wrote:
    August 14th, 2007 at 12.43 pm

    Sorry JII, my bad. I apologise for that.
    You’re right. Tosses and rain aside, there’s no denying that the Indian batsmen got the odd shocking decision - especially Ganguly (twice) and Tendulkar - so perhaps these things even themselves out. As Vaughan said, nobody over here really expected your seamers to bowl quite so well and that was probably the difference.
    While I’m feeling contrite, I’ll also admit that the Aussies got a rough deal in 2005, especially Damien Martyn, while everything else went England’s way. And we still struggled to win!

  • JII wrote:
    August 14th, 2007 at 1.04 pm

    But somehow, the absence of Hoggard, Freddie & Harmy (in that order) has taken the gloss off this win.

  • Chris wrote:
    August 15th, 2007 at 2.10 am

    Ian, I’m certainly looking forward to seeing how we play without some of the guys that have been the best in the world at what they do for so long. For one thing I’m hoping to see more tight tests played. The next few years will certainly be an exciting time for test cricket, with a lot of teams having to now turn to their younger (or less experienced) players.

  • JF wrote:
    August 15th, 2007 at 11.21 am

    On Strauss - I’m a big fan but a rest and restored appetite may work for him. I think he’s been under more pressure batting with Cook and wants to play Tresco so Cook can play Strauss to Strauss’ Tresco as it were. He needs to take a leaf from Tresco’s book; when struggling for runs cut down on the extravagant shots and grind some runs out.

    Bell has averaged ok but needs to feel under pressure.

    It’s hard to blame Moores for this. If Flintoff had been fit, there would have been more pressure. Moores has done the right thing in making his own judgements on players and you can’t do this in one test, more like one summer which the players have had. Let’s see what he does now.

    The odd aussie style chop and change would be good. Strauss Bell Shah and Key should be given opportunities until somebody convinces beyond all reasonable doubt.

    JF

  • Yobbo wrote:
    August 15th, 2007 at 8.47 pm

    4 bowlers should be enough. Freddy should play as a bowler who can bash the ball around at number 8.

    You already have Peitersen as a back-up spinner, Collingwood as a back-up medium pacer.

    There is no reason in the world why England should be playing more than 3 specialist bowlers.

    And they should be Monty, Sidebottom and Tremlett.

    Flintoff
    Monty
    Tremlett
    Sidebottom
    Collingwood
    Peitersen

    Are already 6 guys who can bowl well enough in test cricket. Having an extra one is costing you test matches.

    Drop Collingwood down to #6 so his batting requirements are lessened, he can bowl a few more overs than he normally does.

    Cook
    Strauss
    Vaughan
    Peitersen
    Bell
    Collingwood
    Prior
    Flintoff
    Tremlett
    Panesar
    Sidebottom

    And on a side note, don’t England know that losing 1-0 is still losing?

    Why didn’t they go for the runs? They had nothing to lose.

  • Innocent Abroad wrote:
    August 16th, 2007 at 12.01 am

    Why didn’t England go for the runs? Because of what we’d all be saying if they’d got all out for 200-250 to so-so deliveries, that’s why. India “won” the last Test by three days to two, the last two being England’s.

    As to Pietersen as a bowler, I agree. They need to work out which of him and Vaughan is the part-time off-spinner (how Vaughan decided which to bowl I’ve no idea) and I’d like to see KP take the Viv richards role with ball as well as bat, if only because he’s taller than Vaughan (I think) & so should get more bounce.

    A “true” all-rounder of the Freddie type is a once-in-a-generation gift, and they can be double-edged swords - read the reports of the Aussie teams Hutton beat in the fifties, they had a surfeit of all-rounders and not enough “proper” batsmen. But a couple of batsmen who can do the fifth bowler job between them, and a couple of bowlers who are No. 8 bats (as Ashley Giles, bless him, was) ought to be plannable for.

    One thing that is significant by its absence from this thread is the name of the second full-time spinner for Sri Lanka (assuming that Moores accepts Yorkshire’s view that it’s too soon for Rashid, though I think the Aussies would take him if he was one of theirs).

  • Angus wrote:
    August 16th, 2007 at 12.54 am

    England has been at its best when playing five genuine bowlers - one being an allrounder, and the other four being able to hold up and end, or chip 30.

    If you go into a Test with only four bowlers, you run the risk of one breaking down, then the other three will be bowled into the ground, get injured, and miss the rest of the series. Not ideal on the flat pitches of the sub-continent, under a hot sun. in Sri Lanka, two of our bowlers are going to have to be specialist spinners.

    England’S top order has a great deal of ability. And with Flintoff at 6, it gives the team tremendous balance. A little more consistency and application from the top order at times, and we’ll be winning most series.

    Collingwood is not a Test allrounder. He is a very good batsman, with about four Test wickets. He can plug an end in one-dayers, but that’s about the extent of it. Please do not suggest he can come on and bowl out Sri Lanka in a Test match.

    Pietersen was a good off-spinner in his youth, but now focuses on his batting. That’s why he’s one of the best batsmen in the world. He doesn’t have time to be practising his bowling, and England need him to be at his best as a batsman.

    Vaughan, on the other hand, could and should bowl more. As long as he doesn’t risk injury.

    Every batsman goes through long periods without runs, but we have short memories. Strauss is a class act, and he’s having a minor blip. Not as bad as Nasser’s, or Justin Langer’s, or Mark Waugh’s - just yet. If he’s picked this winter, he will adjust his game plan, and might just graft some solid centuries again. Someone with that talent doesn’t lose it forever. Have patience.

  • Chris wrote:
    August 16th, 2007 at 2.30 am

    I wouldn’t agree with bowling Vaughan, it’s too much of risk to his knee. England needs him far more as a captain and batsman.

  • Chris wrote:
    August 16th, 2007 at 2.32 am

    Oh, and I thought Pieterson’s offies were pretty tidy in Australia, and it certainly didn’t seem to affect his batting. I think that he is focused enough to be able to do both jobs without too much trouble.

  • Yobbo wrote:
    August 17th, 2007 at 2.04 am

    Why didn’t England go for the runs? Because of what we’d all be saying if they’d got all out for 200-250 to so-so deliveries, that’s why.

    We in Australia would say “Well, they were looking at a series defeat if they didn’t, why wouldn’t they have a go?”

    Accepting defeat is never acceptable. If it was a 4-test series and they were 1 down, then perhaps it would be acceptable to play for a draw and try to win the next one. But this was the last match of the series, and they were 1 behind.

    What it says to me is that England don’t care about the results of any test series except the ashes.

    If you go into a Test with only four bowlers, you run the risk of one breaking down

    You can’t pick your team on the basis of thinking “What happens if someone gets injured during the game?”. Now that Harmison is out of the team, bowlers aren’t going to break down in every second test match.

    Australia have played 4 bowlers for the last 15 years and haven’t seemed to have too many problems. You have a very good spinner who can bowl all day at one end if he needs too.

    Collingwood is not a Test allrounder. He is a very good batsman, with about four Test wickets. He can plug an end in one-dayers, but that’s about the extent of it. Please do not suggest he can come on and bowl out Sri Lanka in a Test match.

    I’m not suggesting that. I’m suggesting he can come on bowl a 4-6 over spell to give the quickies a rest for an hour or so. Steve Waugh was not a test all-rounder either, but he did that job early in his career.

    Plugging an end is required in tests too at times, and Collingwood is good enough to do that at least.

    But a couple of batsmen who can do the fifth bowler job between them, and a couple of bowlers who are No. 8 bats (as Ashley Giles, bless him, was) ought to be plannable for.

    Ashely Giles was a #10 bat who was forced into batting #8 because England always picked too many bowlers.

    Australia’s 8, 9 and 10 for a long period of time were Shane Warne, Brett Lee, Jason Gillespie. All 3 of those are better batsmen than Giles.

  • Innocent Abroad wrote:
    August 17th, 2007 at 8.23 am

    Yobbo, I think that’s a very good insight into the different ways in which we look at Test cricket in England and Australia.

    I suppose we’ll just have to wait for Australia to play a series without their four first-choice pace bowlers :)

    As to Australia’s 8, 9 and 10 for a long period of time were Shane Warne, Brett Lee, Jason Gillespie. All 3 of those are better batsmen than Giles - well, the stats on your side (I was astonished that Lee shaded Giles, but he does). I think this is actually one of our biggest problems - we don’t expect our bowlers to average 20+ with the bat, and you do (either that, or you’ve been lucky of late).

    Perhaps we should ask “Statsguru” on Cricinfo to do a piece on runs contributed by numbers 8-11 in Tests over a decent period (say the last 30 years) in all countries - might be interesting.

  • Yobbo wrote:
    August 17th, 2007 at 8.55 am

    I don’t think it’s luck. I think Australian teams now put a great deal of effort into making sure their bowlers can hold a bat to some extent.

    Which the exception of McGrath, there hasn’t been a bunny in Australia’s batting line-up for a very long time. Every bowler can hurt you in some way whether by putting up a wall (Gillespie) or Spanking you around the ground (Warne and Lee).

    Even Stuart Clark and Nathan Bracken are capable of hitting big down the order, and defending the straight ball.

    Even McGrath’s batting improved signigicantly in the last 5 years because of intensive coaching and training.

  • Marcus wrote:
    August 17th, 2007 at 10.48 am

    Yobbo’s right about how England were way too defensive in going for the runs. They were never going to have a chance going for something like 400 runs on the last day- if they were just playing for a draw they might have well just resigned the match.

    But I do think England ought to go in with 5 bowlers. How’s Hoggard going to fir in when he’s fit- is he going to replace on of England’s bowlers, who’ve all been in great form, or one of their batsmen, who haven’t? I’d go for the latter, as we all saw how the Windies suffered through thinking that they could do it with just four.

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