Looks like Graeme Smith thought he was Matthew Hayden - walking down the track twice in a row to Bracko - and he’s gone - woohoo - what a start! Kallis in early - all going according to plan…
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Live chat: Australia v South Africa, 2nd semi-final, St Lucia
By Emma last year, at the end of April Leave a comment on this post
So much for essay writing, this is going to be far more interesting. The two, of course, haven’t played since the group stages, and Australia still haven’t lost a game. Will this be the one? South Africa have won the toss, and elected to bat.
Catch Will, and the scorecard, over here. In the meantime, chat away!
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79 Responses to “Live chat: Australia v South Africa, 2nd semi-final, St Lucia”
April 25th, 2007 at 2.42 pm
April 25th, 2007 at 2.55 pm
And now Kallis goes - he’s fallen hook line and sinker for the Aussie talk.
April 25th, 2007 at 2.55 pm
Kallis gone!!!
April 25th, 2007 at 3.04 pm
time for Gibbs and de Villiars to settle in for a bit
April 25th, 2007 at 3.04 pm
Can someone please clear up the question from the previous thread: are Mike and Michael one and the same, or just coincidentally similar? Are you out the there Michael?
April 25th, 2007 at 3.13 pm
Did I spook de Villiars with that comment?
April 25th, 2007 at 3.19 pm
Capitulation! South Africa look like they were beaten mentally before they even walked out. This is the most I’ve enjoyed cricket in 8 years!
April 25th, 2007 at 3.20 pm
Caroline, as far as I know either he has a twin brother or they are one and the same.
And McGrath on a hat-trick… What am I going to do tonight if that is over within the next two hours???
April 25th, 2007 at 3.21 pm
And now they’re 5 for 31 and they’ve had a let off! Big inside edge - replay shows Bucknor gets it wrong, no surprise there.
April 25th, 2007 at 3.26 pm
will bucknor pay for his mistake and be rubbed out for the final?
April 25th, 2007 at 3.30 pm
Tobi, what do you mean “if”?
I’m not sure I’ll get home from the office in time to see any play at all. 36 for 5. Groan.
April 25th, 2007 at 3.34 pm
I hope so nick.
April 25th, 2007 at 3.38 pm
Got a point there, Wraye ;-).
I should start looking for a pub with Pay-TV showing Chelsea vs Liverpool tonight…
April 25th, 2007 at 3.48 pm
Drinks break, if I were a Saffer (and not in the office) I’d go for big slug of the hard stuff.
April 25th, 2007 at 3.50 pm
It’s the 16th over, it’s been all pace ’till now, South Africa have been 5 down, we’re still in the PowerPlay and we don’t even have a second slip? They could have been 6-27 and all out by now. As it stands, they have the chance of making a staggering 150-something (!) especially with Watson on. The name Shane is no guarantee of quality, folks!
April 25th, 2007 at 3.53 pm
I’ve just sent an SMS to the lads, told them to put a 2nd slip in. I’ve also sent an SMS to those two hot sheila’s I saw in the front row before. Coorrgh! I’d flipper and show her a wrong’un or two!
April 25th, 2007 at 3.54 pm
I decide to listen to the Warks commentary and this happens, so I switch over, and Gibbs gets a grip. I suppose I want a real game deep down… but it’s nice to see other Test nations get stuffed occasionally.
April 25th, 2007 at 4.23 pm
Mike and Michael are the same, it’s the pre-writer me and the post-writer me, depending on which computer I am on and how lazy I am (logging on or not).
I’m on the road damnit, I am sitting in Phoenix International Airport on a rush emergency trip for the company, plugged in now and catching a few moments on my internet tv feed.
What Stu said about Smith sums up South Africa in general really, even Arthur wrote about it - they’re trying to be Australia. They can’t and they won’t.
I’m thrilled it’s 88-6.
April 25th, 2007 at 4.30 pm
Oh my God what a pearler of a delivery to Graeme Smith. Swung away a little, he charged, and it rattled off stump. Find the dismissal on You Tube later, that was a stunner.
April 25th, 2007 at 4.32 pm
Oh brilliant, Kallis made to look ridiculous! He’s just not a charge and bang kinda guy. Charged McGrath, missed the yorker and there goes off stump again.
Looking like fools.
April 25th, 2007 at 4.39 pm
DeVilliers driving away from his body with no foot movement and it did what it was destined to do, take the outside edge and through to the keeper. Traditional dismissal to a non-textbook stroke.
(If you’re thinking I am off my rocker and late, I’m just catching up with the dismissals. I may be off the rocker though.)
April 25th, 2007 at 4.41 pm
I’m disappointed.
I was really hoping for a decent match tonight… but at this stage it looks like SA may have trouble making 150…
April 25th, 2007 at 4.41 pm
er… Michael, the game has moved on a bit….
April 25th, 2007 at 4.43 pm
How to throw your wicket away in a Semi Final by AG Prince! Goodness gracious! This ball was almost destined for first slip, had it had some of McGrath’s away cut it would have gone there. It was a wide wide and AG Prince threw himself at it, edging to Gilchrist.
This is the wheels falling off in the grandest scale.
April 25th, 2007 at 4.45 pm
Steve-o it has indeed, but I am enjoying catching up and writing, so let me be.
If you’re an Aussie you shouldn’t mind it. If your South African, next time ay? :D:D
April 25th, 2007 at 4.47 pm
Since you’re after fresh gossip, how about that chinaman Hoggy ay? Showing it isn’t just the fast men terrorizing South Africa. 8 down. They won’t make 150 loofer.
April 25th, 2007 at 4.53 pm
Why is McGrath retiring? In a day and age where economy rates are up from three or four to fix or six as acceptable, Pidgeon continues to astound with wicket after wicket at a stingy rate. I think he ought to find himself at the top of the ODI Rankings after the World Cup.
I suppose not a bad way to end ay? But God, why not go past 40 and pave the way for the older blokes to never give up hope. There’s another bloke out there doing just this, and this will delight my English counterparts on this site: Paul Nixon.
April 25th, 2007 at 4.54 pm
No. They won’t make it now that Pollock is gone.
People really are having a lot of trouble picking Hogg…
April 25th, 2007 at 5.08 pm
Test (sorry)
April 25th, 2007 at 5.13 pm
Will I notice an immediate difference in speed. Much better.
April 25th, 2007 at 8.08 pm
I’ve been cooking. Where are the rest of you now? Nodded off to sleep already? ![]()
April 25th, 2007 at 8.29 pm
Cooked, been out for a walk, listened to the end of the Warwickshire innings and now pretending to do my essay. Again. 2 done, 2 to go… man I wish I was organised over the holiday.
April 25th, 2007 at 8.33 pm
Still here…
While trying not to fall asleep I have had a closer look at the sopcast stuff you talked about yesterday. Surprisingly it works for me!!! Now I am kicking myself that I learned about it only today (yesterday). But now there is finally a chance to watch the final.
Thanks to everybody who contributed to the discussion yesterday!
April 25th, 2007 at 9.36 pm
Had a nap, woke up to see, once again, Oz stroll home without the lower order even putting on their boots, again. Old man McGrath man of the match , again and gilchrist, again, fails to do anything. Is Haddin siting there wondering why it isn’t himself out there?
Will Graeme Smith fall on his sword, now that the Saffers have failed yet again to dominate?
April 25th, 2007 at 9.53 pm
Now I’m sure there is come sort of conspiracy, organised by Tom Moody, for evey other team to play perfectly good cricket, except against Australia, so that when it comes to the final, they will be so short of match practice, (if that’s possible after 6 weeks) that they won’t know what hit them.
Actually, Moody couldn’t possibly organize such a thing against his own country, if he ever wants to live here again, so it must be the English behind it.
April 25th, 2007 at 10.12 pm
what’s happened to EDIT, Will?
April 25th, 2007 at 10.18 pm
Congratulations to Australia and Sri Lanka. Clearly the best two teams into the finals.
April 25th, 2007 at 10.31 pm
Duuuh, Fiona, if we Poms had been behind it, we would have employed some nerd since 1932 to roll a ball in front of every promising Oz player at training or find a way to extend the body-line bowling.
Sorry, love, not guilty this time.
Still, the Aussies have played consistently well throughout the tournament and best of luck to them. Let’s say it, boys and girls, well played Oz! I really hope Sri Lanka put up much more of a fight than SA, but that is my personal opinion, because I would like to see a “ding-dong” fight in the final. My heart goes to the Saffers fans but never mind, being a Pom, we’ve been there loads of times before, my friends. To answer 13th Man, it is still just a game and a bloody strange one at that! Thank God. ![]()
April 25th, 2007 at 10.38 pm
It feels so very good to destroy South Africa, and make them look like a second-tier nation.
April 25th, 2007 at 11.32 pm
goddamn. That was an excellent bowling effort, and really showed how Tait was a better option than Clark.
What’s going to happen to the ODI bowling line up when Lee returns though? I’m not sure that Lee, Tait, Bracken, Hogg, Watson offers anywhere near the kind of variety that we’re seeing while McGrath is still in the team, but I am warming to Tait.
Lee, Tait, Bracken, Clark, Hogg and drop Watson instead? I don’t quite see that happening… maybe Tait will be unlucky until Lee starts concentrating on Bollywood full-time….
April 25th, 2007 at 11.43 pm
How on earth did SA manage to get to number one in the rankings, albeit briefly? I think I detected a slight gap between the sides today.
The much trotted out “438 in Jo’burg” talisman seemed a tad distant, I’m guessing, when they were 5 for 30-odd.
Ah! The inevitabilities of life. Death, taxes, Australia beating SA in World Cup semi-finals…
Sri Lanka promises to be a different kettle of fish. Their spin options and general air of well-deserved confidence promise an excellent final.
Go Aussies!
April 26th, 2007 at 12.45 am
As a dedicated SA fan I can only hope that “Brainy” (Smith) has the decency to resign after this embrassment. The guy is a very useful batsman, but it is obvious he needs a captain to occasionally knock some sense into him, or just tell him to shut the f… up.
He is also extremely slow on the field. He is never able to replace a bowler before the over where the bowler goes for 15+ runs. Why was Pollock left out of the attack (after only 3 overs) until more than 20 overs were gone? Why not take a PowerPlay and at least try to create pressure? And what the h… was that batting approach about? In true SA fashion, when Plan A did not work, we resorted to trying Plan A harder.
Sri Lanka, I am affraid, won’t be much better. Jayawardene has not been much better than Brainy…
April 26th, 2007 at 1.40 am
Andre Nel needs some of your advice as well SAFan. I am a fan of agressive bowlers - I don’t mind watching Nel in his antics, but when you’re on the wrong end of an utter arse-kicking you ought to keep your mouth shut.
He looked rediculous fuming about as he was. Even CricInfo picked up on it. Good on ya fellas.
There is one team who has played with an unbelieveable consistency a few levels above every team. Australia. They are frightenly good (which I say with glee) because they have hardly slipped up in ANY department once.
The one slip I can think of was when Smith and DeVilliers were making hay in the first 20 overs of the Pool game.
Sri Lanka have played exciting cricket, not great cricket, and have won those close encounters which took nerve and skill. I feel they are heavily outmatched and deserve to finish with a respectable 2nd, as they have been the 2nd best team in the World Cup.
New Zealand deserves 3rd, if there were such a thing.
April 26th, 2007 at 2.00 am
duh, Wraye, it was a joke! I can never make without you ruffling up your feathers, chook. Remember, its just fun, as you keep pointing out to ruffled Aussies
I enjoy watching Andre Nel, MIchael. He loves playing and obviously plays for the love of it, and was enjoying himself even when losing badly. Is there some politically correct way to celebrate a wicket?
As for your glee, careful you don’t slip on it, mate! The shows not over til the mad bowler slings….
April 26th, 2007 at 2.10 am
I like Nel too.
I became a bit of a fan last time I saw him play against Australia at the SCG. SA weren’t doing particularly wonderfully, and he was fielding down near my seat.
The crowd nearby started yelling “Nel is a wanker!” in that oh so original way that us Australian crowds have
He turned around, gave a huge grin to the crowd and started conducting everyone, clapping and yelling as loudly as he could “Nel is a WANKER!” “Nel is a WANKER!” and then applauded everyone’s performance before the next ball was bowled.
Classy. ![]()
April 26th, 2007 at 2.15 am
Graeme Smith was very gracious in defeat - I missed his belligerence. I like the Saffers for that belligerence and grittiness, and Nel, too. I find his mad dog antics far more “joyful” than than that other mad-eye, Murali. Wish the Saffers or NZ had been in the final against Australia, too. And playing well, not being thrashed.
April 26th, 2007 at 2.35 am
If you don’t glee when it is time to glee you will never glee. I don’t worry about the bad times, they’ll come and take care of itself. I’m living in the moment and at the moment it’s a grand moment ![]()
April 26th, 2007 at 3.51 am
Too true Michael - gloat while you’ve got the chance I say ![]()
April 26th, 2007 at 3.54 am
As for Nel, Fiona, I wasn’t referring to when he bowled Ricky Ponting (which itself is a rare feat and worthy of celebrating wildly). This was during a passage of play, the game pretty much a foregone conclusion, when both Symonds and Clarke had each roasted him for boundaries in his over.
Not to worry - the only one making an arse of himself at the time was Nel. Ah, found the CricInfo reference:
Nel continues to fume. He’s like a miniature poodle growling at a Great Dane. Utterly pointless and he looks a bit silly. This is one time he should just button it and stay anonymous.
April 26th, 2007 at 4.59 am
Yes, but i like it! I like him growling! I like a bit of character and he’s a good sport and I think the poodle is a bit hard. Nel actually has bowled well this tournament, when he’s played. Anyway, who cares, he’s not going to change just because of you or I or Cricinf0’s opinions.
(I know it’s not relevant but he did play with a broken finger today.)
April 26th, 2007 at 5.11 am
Agreed. I ranted somewhere here about the “system” not allowing bowlers to have snarl. Forget where. He has snarl. I like him a good portion of the time. Other times he’s just an idiot. But I like him.
April 26th, 2007 at 8.54 am
Joke taken, Fiona
I should use more smilies ![]()
April 26th, 2007 at 9.35 am
Gutted. Absolutely gutted. Could have coped if the Saffers had given Aus a run for their money, but it sticks in my craw that Aus could win this without having had a *real* match to play.
Great work by the Aussies, though. Bless Matthew Hayden, he needed to take a page out of Andrew Hall’s book and tuck a towel in the back of his trousers. I will say, I’m looking forward to getting a chance to watch him in action on Saturday.
April 26th, 2007 at 11.51 am
So, which teams have given Australia the best run for their money in this tournament? Does anyone have the stats in front of them?
April 26th, 2007 at 1.38 pm
Who needs stats?
The answer is painfully bleedin’ obvious. No-one.
I can hear the Aussies giggling with glee in the background there.
April 26th, 2007 at 11.59 pm
Actually, Wraye, you’re wrong. the Sth Africans, in their first match, back in the group stages, were about 2-160 round the 25-30 over, (don’t quote me, this is from memory, not stats), and the Oz bowling looked toothless. Then Smith had to retire with cramps, and it gradually folded from there. But I remember it being tense for much of the match. That was the best performance against Oz I remember. Graeme Smith remembers it also!
At that stage our bowling attack looked much more unstable. It’s so long ago, now, people forget that we arrived at the tournament from 5 losses, were being talked about as on the downhill and that the Cup was much more of a level playing field then. Back then, you Englsih were the gigglers ![]()
April 27th, 2007 at 12.04 am
Actually, Wraye, you’re wrong. the Sth Africans, in their first match, back in the group stages, were about 2-160 round the 25-30 over, (don’t quote me, this is from memory, not stats), and the Oz bowling looked toothless. Then Smith had to retire with cramps, and it gradually folded from there. But I remember it being tense for much of the match. That was the best performance against Oz I remember. Graeme Smith remembers it also!
At that stage our bowling attack looked much more unstable. It’s so long ago, now, people forget that we arrived at the tournament from 5 losses, were being talked about as on the downhill and that the Cup was much more of a level playing field then. Back then, we were thought of as has-beens. ( that giggling you hear is gleeful Michael, who is glleeing while he can )
April 27th, 2007 at 12.08 am
Will, why has my unedited comment gone in, too????
April 27th, 2007 at 12.19 am
Rusty, it is sometimes worth emailing Will when things aren’t working properly — he is such a busy lad, he doesn’t always read everything we say here.
April 27th, 2007 at 3.38 am
I reckon Rusty is right. I remember the feeling I had in my stomach at the time. Although it was Watson’s freak direct hit FIRST, then Smithy falling apart (physically).
As for pre-talk hype: Who remembers the article asking if Australia can beat Scotland? Who remembers Viv himself writing Australia off? Who remembers Pat Symcox having his bite?
God I LOVE it when the media fuel the fire. Ricky Ponting loves it too. He’s extremely witty, KNOWLEDGEABLE and blessed with a long memory when he enters Press Conferences to boot… ![]()
April 27th, 2007 at 3.40 am
Thinking a tad more on this: at times when it seems like there is nothing left to achieve, we always have some media shark swimming nearby to have a crack at the Aussies upon first slip-up.
And suddenly we have something to achieve.
April 27th, 2007 at 3.59 am
Yes, nothing inspires Punter more than someone denigrating him.
April 27th, 2007 at 4.26 am
Gee, it’s a surprise to see Viv wanting to see Australia on the skids.
After all, Viv did manage to steer the mighty Windies unerringly onto the rocks. I’m sure he’d like a bit of company on the pedestal of skippers-that-manage-to-junk-goliaths.
April 27th, 2007 at 10.06 am
Yes Michael. Ponting certainly is the greatest Cricket Anorak that there ever was.
April 27th, 2007 at 7.02 pm
Did you mean to use the word Anorak marcus?
April 28th, 2007 at 12.31 am
Yeah. It was something he said on the “Quote…Unquote” page on CricInfo a while back. In response to a question, he said something like, “despite my reputation as being a bit of a cricket anorak, I don’t really know the answer.” (I asssume he was looking for Almanak). Anyway, that was just terribly funny to me.
April 28th, 2007 at 12.36 am
“Despite my reputation as a bit of a cricket anorak, I’m not a huge one for history.”
Ricky Ponting when asked about the possibility of the first Ashes whitewash since 1921
What a wally.
April 28th, 2007 at 2.09 am
In response to a question, he said something like, “despite my reputation as being a bit of a cricket anorak, I don’t really know the answer.” (I asssume he was looking for Almanak). Anyway, that was just terribly funny to me.
No, he would have meant “anorak” as in nerd/geek/enthusiast, not “almanac” as in repository of knowledge.
April 28th, 2007 at 2.26 am
loofer is right - “anorak” is a slang term for someone obsessively interested in a topic that doesn’t seem of interest to anyone else. It’s british slang, so the the joke is on you, Will!
April 28th, 2007 at 3.25 am
I’ve always thought it to mean pretty much the same thing as “train-spotter”, but I’m Australian, so I could be missing the subtleties between the two terms…
April 28th, 2007 at 3.36 am
Loofer, I’m pretty sure you’re right — as in anorak being the kind of raincoat your typical nerd trainspotter would wear.
April 28th, 2007 at 4.12 am
Exactly, loofer and Kathy. One source says that’s exactly where it derives from - “trainspotters” wearing anoraks, and “trainspotters” being obsessives of the sort I described…….so the “anoraks” out there trainspotting go into slang as a term for nerdy obsessives!
Mind you, I never thought of Ponting as especially intelligent, anyway ( and I don’t mean in terms of a cricketing brain). I never hold my breath waiting for some pearl of wisdom to drop during his postmmatch interviews.
April 28th, 2007 at 4.58 am
Huh. I’ve never heard of “anorak” in that context. I assumed that Ponting meant that he was a repository of knowledge (as in Almanac) as opposed to being some sort of winter garment, and so just mixed up his words. Just goes to show you that you learn something new every day, right?
Still, he IS a wally, and he doesn’t strike me as being particularly intelligent, either. I’ve never thought of him as being any sort of cricket repository, encyclopedia, jacket or sweater.
April 28th, 2007 at 6.07 am
I’ve always thought of Ponting as being rather street-smart, rather than intelligent, if that distinction makes sense….
Someone described him on cricinfo recently as “the most driven man in cricket”, and that’s certainly what I’d think of as his most defining characteristic, particularly given the eternal thousand-yard stare of the last year or so…
Wally is a bit harsh. There are quite a few Australians and even more international cricketers I’d think of as bigger wallies than Ponting.
If anything I think he’s a bit bland. I’m sick of the current trend for sportspeople to mouth useless platitudes, and much prefer people who actually show some genuine personality… cue McGrath, Warne, Pietersen, Nel, etc.
April 28th, 2007 at 7.11 am
Yes, “wally’ is rather derogatory for such an outstanding player and a man who has carried this team so far. And a bit of a “loser” term too.
On McGrath, one thing that will go with him is the generation of larrikans that used to so typify Australian sport and we’re left with SNAGS and politically-correct “wallies” ! ![]()
April 28th, 2007 at 10.02 am
To me the most interesting characters in cricket right now are the senior members of the Aussie team — people who know their sport but a bit about life too — McGrath, Warne, and also Langer and Hayden, who have quite interesting quirks in their lives. As for the majority of very young sportsmen, cricketers or other, they get interviewed far too much when they’ve lived very little life and have nothing much to say.
I found it a bit odd the other day, when Mike Atherton, in a general rant about what was wrong with English cricket, said the English system was fostering very one-dimensional young cricketers who could only communicate in sullen grunts as compared to the much more rounded young men coming through the Aussie system. Is this true? Who can he be talking about? Is it Mahmood, who does seem a little sullen, but is no more or less interesting than many young men his age, though his Lancashire accent is fairly impenetrable?
In my experience most young men at age 21 or so don’t have a lot of interest to say, particularly if they’ve spent their entire life obsessively practising one sport. So I’m wondering if anyone can enlighten me as to what Atherton means or who he is talking about…
April 28th, 2007 at 10.09 am
Since when was “wally” a derogatory or harsh term? It’s just a mild chide, that’s all. If we want to talk about real wallies (and worse) then perhaps we should get started on Graeme Smith?
April 28th, 2007 at 12.11 pm
I’m rather surprised at Atherton’s comment about the young Aussie cricketers. If they do get interviewed, they usually produce standard sporting cliches or repeat themselves several times through nervousness. The only one who comes to mind as articulate is 22 year old Dan Cullen, a talented off-spinner. He could be quite a xharacter, if he fulfills the hype about him.
I believe Warne said the other day that young cricketers like Alistair Cook shouldn’t be writing cricket columns after only playing a few tests - he should be spending all his time practising. Not sure if Warne is one to talk, though.
April 29th, 2007 at 9.25 am
A lot of those columns are rather tiresome I reckon, Fiona — particularly since 90 percent of them are ghost-written. Of the English players, apparently only Strauss writes his own. Does Warne write his himself?
And yeah, I reckon most young cricketers, no matter what the country, seem full of cliches and nervousness. I mean they aren’t selected on the basis of their witty conversation!
I think Atherton is in a snit about the last six months which haven’t given him much to cheer about, and understandably so, I suppose. Nasser Hussain also made a similar sort of complaint about England cricketers too during the Ashes tour of Australia — that they were too cossetted and not getting out and about enough and using a bit of young man’s initative and learning about life in a new country. (Mind you, with all the losing they were doing maybe they were too embarrassed to show their faces — I’m sure they get a siege mentality after a while.)
However, considering all the losing England did under Atherton and Hussain, I just wish we got more interesting perspectives from them on what could be going on in a team that’s on a big losing streak.
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