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    Do you care about the Associates?

    By Will last year, mid-February Leave a comment on this post

    I’ve always been interested in the lower echelons of cricket, and was pleasantly surprised at the standard of cricket - in particular from Kenya, Scotland and Ireland - during the World Cricket League in Nairobi. But I remain realistic of their ability and a little clueless as to how they can develop and close the gap on Full Member nations.

    What about you? This blog has never concentrated on any one aspect of the game - ok, so England have received a fair bit of attention - and most of you seem to have a broad interest of the game. Do you care about Ireland, Netherlands or Canada? Will you watch them in the World Cup? Do you follow their progress on other sites and, if so, which ones? Are you even aware Bermuda have a side?

    Tell all.

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    25 Responses to “Do you care about the Associates?”

  • Zainub wrote:
    February 20th, 2007 at 10.02 pm

    I blogged about it Will (see post here.

    Summary of what I said would be…yes I do Will, I do ‘care’ about the minnows. I am a big funs of the underdogs in any circumstances, but seeing some of these minnows is extra fun, for all sorts of reasons. Remember when USA was playing Australia once in the CT? Remember all the hilarity that resulted, and I enjoyed seeing the Kenyan team last time, good spirited side, and I loved their celebrations especially.

    Just so long as they don’t cause an upset against Pakistan I’ll be happy seeing any number of associates sides play in the World Cup :d.

    Yes it makes it long and brings along some one-sided games, but we’ve got to be less selfish and think of these teams as well, they have virtually no other international exposure apart from the World Cup. I also don’t buy in Holding’s theory that they don’t learn anything by getting thrashed, they learn a lot just by being there!

    And it happens in nearly every other sport, its never an issue for people in football for example, I know the qualification procedure is way more competitive there but still, we’ve got to realize that this exposure helps these sides, not only with their cricket, but with their confidence and everything too.

  • Jess wrote:
    February 20th, 2007 at 10.33 pm

    I’ll be supporting Scotia - they’ve got Aus and SA in their group, so they’ll need all the support they can get!

  • Angus wrote:
    February 20th, 2007 at 10.43 pm

    The Kenyan tournament was waaaay more exciting than the Ashes and the early one-dayers down under. Finally, the ICC has recognised the importance of getting Netherlands, Scotland, Ireland, Canada, etc, playing each other, and regularly. Remember the preparation for the last World Cup? It was non-existant. No wonder they got thrashed.

    If cricket is to develop, these teams must continue to play each other and start getting big one-dayers and 20-20s against England and the like. There are plenty of cricket fans in these countries, but we have been starved! No more excuses. I’m not saying Test cricket in the near future, but bloody hell, is anyone else getting bored of Aus playing England, Aus playing NZ, endlessly?

    Getting into the WC is the only way the govts of these countries are going to take notice and plough money into kids taking up cricket. And sponsors will start jumping on board too. We’ve seen a minnows upset every WC for the last few tournaments, and this time they’re much better prepared. Who wouldn’t love to see a minnow rattle a big boy next month?

  • Ankur wrote:
    February 21st, 2007 at 12.12 am

    I personally don’t think any real cricket fan is opposed to ICC’s expansion program and most of the people I know look forward to watching the associates play in major events, only because it’s a new experience. Theres new names, new talent, and it’s worth having associates in the World Cup just for those moments of brilliance such as Davison in the last World Cup. Cynics might argue about how Canadian he really is, but that’s not the point - Cricket needs to move outside it’s traditional domain of eight countries and for that the development program needs to be strengthened as should support from mainstream media.

    Andrew and I set up our blog, Beyond the Boundary (http://btb.caughtbehind.com) for that very reason and I’m sure many of you are aware of the criticism we’ve unleashed on mainstream media - especially Cricinfo, until Martin Williamson spoke to us about why associate cricket coverage isn’t commercially viable although Cricket Europe seem to have no problem with it.

    In conclusion, development is here to stay, cricket is here to grow, so we might as well support it!

  • Ollie wrote:
    February 21st, 2007 at 12.26 am

    To be fair, all I’m interested in is a competitive game. I don’t want to see South Africa thrash Bermuda, but a close tie between Kenya and Scotland is fine. Unforunately, in the World Cup, it’s going to be a lot of the former and none of the latter. And again when two ‘minnows’ qualify for the upcoming Twenty20 tournament.

    Of course, the minnows need some kind of target to aim for, and qualifying for these international competitions is a good one. If you are going to exclude them from things like the World Cup, I don’t know what else you can replace them with.

    Maybe, as Holding suggested, having only one or two of the better minnows qualify is a suitable compromise, rather than having six of them.

  • Will wrote:
    February 21st, 2007 at 12.35 am

    Ankur:

    aware of the criticism we’ve unleashed on mainstream media - especially Cricinfo, until Martin Williamson spoke to us about why associate cricket coverage isn’t commercially viable although Cricket Europe seem to have no problem with it.

    It isn’t a simple “shall we, shan’t we?” choice for Cricinfo. CricketEurope have no clear business model other than providing news of the Associates. They are self-funded and self-supported and don’t cover any other cricket. It’s slightly more complicated for Cricinfo in that, sadly, we cannot afford to cover a region of cricket which is so unpopular. Money talks. Sponsors will pay thousands upon thousands to be associated with India, Australia and England but won’t touch the likes of Kenya. It’s unfortunate, it’s not ideal but it’s the way it goes.

    Me and Martin both do our utmost to cover the Associates where possible but it isn’t, and may never be, financially viable to give them the same attention as Full Member nations.

    It’s simplistic to suggest “CricketEurope are doing it. Why can’t Cricinfo?” It’s like asking Sky to send their entire commentary team to Cornwall to cover a school match. Which sponsor would be interested in that?

    This isn’t to dismiss our own interest, concern and interest in covering all aspects of cricket but you have to be realistic.

    And on a separate note, when are you going to publish my comments on your blog?

  • Scott wrote:
    February 21st, 2007 at 3.39 am

    I’m REALLY disappointed in the lack of support given to Kenyan cricket in the past few years. They made the semi-finals in 2003, and what help did they get from the likes of Australia? Nothing.

    What would have done Kenya some great service is a tour to Australia, playing a couple of four-day games against the weaker states, and a series of 50 over games as well. And Kenya is ideally suited for a pre-season warm up tour by a state side as well.

  • Pratik Shah wrote:
    February 21st, 2007 at 7.37 am

    You addressed one of my concerns, Scott. They played wonderfully well, and then were cast into wilderness. But why is it Australia’s duty to help them? The blame lies squarely with the ICC. They could’ve done more.

    To answer Will’s question, I do care about the minnows. I want to see cricket become the global game that it can become. I want other people to enjoy the game that has brought me so much joy. But the minnows need help. Bringing them out once every four years is pointless. I hope the ICC is not just sitting on its haunches. Based on Angus’ comment above, the ICC has made some progress in that regard, so that’s good to hear.

  • Ankur wrote:
    February 21st, 2007 at 8.16 am

    Hey Will,

    I understand the problem that Cricinfo face with covering associate cricket and it’s lack of commercial viability. I’m really not trying to play the blame game here, and I’m sorry if thats the way it appeared with my previous comment. Martin’s response was great and it answered most of our concerns about CricInfo and we have come to understand and respect that fact. Cricket Europe clearly has a different financial model, and I’m relatively happy as long as the cricket is covered somewhere! Personally, I’m not one to play the blame game anyways.

    As for publishing your comments on our blog, I’m not sure what you’re talking about - unless you have provided some kind of feedback to Andrew. The comments as such on our blog our unmoderated - so basically they are all published instantly (or at worse with a time lag of upto 10 minutes). Hopefully, it hasn’t got stuck in our spam filter :) Otherwise you can e-mail us @ btb at caughtbehind dot com

    Cheers!

  • Angus wrote:
    February 21st, 2007 at 1.03 pm

    The ICC were worried about admitting Kenya to Test status after Bangladesh faltered so badly early on. Had Bangla done better, Kenya would have been in there. Their success at the last WC was remarkable, but it was helped by several forfeits from NZ and the like.

    I have a feeling there were then massive financial problems with Kenya…and some corruption scandal. Can’t remember clearly, but if that’s the case, then most of the blame has to lie with their administrators.

    It’s an odd position for teams like Zim, Bangladesh, and Kenya. They don’t quite fit anywhere. But good on the ICC for putting on this massively successful Associates tournament. Young kids watching their national heroes battling it out in a World Cup can only help the game’s development. Who knows, with the 20/20 WC, the gap might be even narrower.

  • Emma wrote:
    February 21st, 2007 at 3.58 pm

    I wasn’t particularly, except for the fluorescent nature of the Netherlands. But I followed the WCL for an article I had to write, and found myself more and more interested. So I’ll be watching them in the World Cup for one.

  • Andy Cooke wrote:
    February 21st, 2007 at 9.23 pm

    Why can’t there be an Associate Division of Test cricket, for Kenya, Scotland, Canada, Bermuda, Ireland and the Netherlands? With six teams, there is critical mass for plenty of series.

    Of course, this opens up the possibility that the leaders of the Associate Division could play the bottom team of the Full Members Division every so often for the right to take their place.

  • Andy Cooke wrote:
    February 21st, 2007 at 9.26 pm

    Oh, disregard my last. That would be the ICC Intercontinental Cup, then.

    I’ll get me coat …

  • Andy Cooke wrote:
    February 21st, 2007 at 9.30 pm

    Ah, disregard my last. That’d be the ICC Intercontinental Cup then.

    I’ll get me coat …

  • Will wrote:
    February 21st, 2007 at 9.31 pm

    …the meter’s running Andy

  • shakester wrote:
    February 22nd, 2007 at 8.10 am

    I think ‘competitive game’ is they key here. Everyone is for the game developing, everyone is for getting more countries into the cricketing fold and spreading the game. But as you mention Will, cricket involving the associates is not too popular, and there is invariably a reason for that- it would be great to see a competitive match but seeing an associate getting thrashed beyond recognition just offers no reason to be watched. i do beleive that 6 is at least 4 too many for the WC. They need to play each other far more often, and face A teams and state/county sides…

  • Wraye wrote:
    February 22nd, 2007 at 4.52 pm

    I care very deeply about the Associate countries, well I would do being part of one of them. The teams will learn from playing with the big boys. Also, great to read you guys (and gals) supporting the underdogs. I think Holding would take back his words if he had seen our tournament last weekend. We invited 2 teams from England and Holland sent their National U17 team over so we knew from the start we were going to be hammered. But can you guess what? The German girls learned loads and from one game to the next were putting that experience into practise. They played their little cotton socks off. Bless. And another thing, we had 8 teams, 85 girls U17, no serious injuries, no sledging, no umpire dissent, no arguements but loads of fun … and sponsors. Howzat?

  • Zainub wrote:
    February 22nd, 2007 at 5.04 pm

    Excellent Wraye.

  • shakester wrote:
    February 23rd, 2007 at 7.09 am

    my word wraye, thats excellent!

  • shakester wrote:
    February 23rd, 2007 at 7.10 am

    my word wraye, that excellent!

  • shakester wrote:
    February 23rd, 2007 at 7.15 am

    my word, wraye thats great

  • Wraye wrote:
    February 23rd, 2007 at 8.22 am

    Thanks. All credit goes to the girls. Grass roots cricket is the future for the minnows as well as Test nations. It took Sri Lanka and New Zealand et al a while to get going, so give the minnows another 20 years, then we will stuff Australia too (sorry Scott!) ;)

  • coltext wrote:
    February 24th, 2007 at 9.25 pm

    It’s all about image for the smaller countries, isn’t it?

    I wonder what percentage of the population of Scotland knows that their Cricket Team (in contrast to the football team!)has actually made it to the World Cup. Prominent individuals in Scottish society seem unaware that there is even a national team and it’s quite possible to meet people who assert that cricket “is not played in Scotland.”

    Lack of publicity means lack of role models, which in turn means a lack of youngsters taking up the sport. One way of breaking the trend would be if the likes of Scotland did eventually manage to turn Australia or South Africa over.

    So it’s good that the smaller nations at least get the chance to shine in the World Cup. One day there will be a major upset, because sport’s like that.

  • Wraye wrote:
    February 25th, 2007 at 1.45 am

    Right on, coltext. Cricket is a funny game. Bangladesh beat Australia, Scotland beat Bangladesh, ergo Scotland can theoretically beat Oz. These upsets make the game so exciting, dontcha just love ‘em?

  • marcus wrote:
    February 28th, 2007 at 7.29 am

    I think Andy Cooke may be on to something- why not keep Intercontinental Cup statistcs separate from regular First-Class? It’s still international cricket, after all.

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