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    Bad luck Herschelle. Getting abused is part of the cricketer’s lot

    By Scott last year, mid-January Leave a comment on this post

    What do readers think about the two-Test ban that was given to Herschelle Gibbs today? I think that given all the circumstances, match referee Chris Broad got it about right. It is simply not on for players to lose their cool when there’s a stump microphone about, regardless of the provocation.

    It is odd that a South African of all people should fall for this sort of trap, but there you go.

    And commendations to the South African ground authorities for chucking out the Pakistani fans who were abusing the South African players. Crowd behaviour world-wide is an absolute disgrace, and there’s not a country in the cricketing world that hasn’t had problems with this regard, particularly with one-day internationals. It’s a fact of cricketing life that has long been accepted that players from the away side are going to cop vociferous abuse from the fans; now that travel is becoming cheaper, home players are starting to get verbally abused as well.

    This is the downside to the globetrotting cricketer’s lifestyle, and it is something that the players will just have to get used to.

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    21 Responses to “Bad luck Herschelle. Getting abused is part of the cricketer’s lot”

  • Zainub wrote:
    January 15th, 2007 at 8.08 pm

    I haven’t seen or heard the incident my self, but from whatever I’ve read (at Cricinfo and elsewhere from those who have heard what he had to say), I cannot see how anyone can defend Gibbs really.

    Regardless of whom the initial comment “they’re like b***** animals” was directed to, if it was just those particular people in the crowd, or all people of that origion in general, and even regardless of how poor or animal like the behaviour was, for Gibbs to express that knowing the stump mikes are on, as you say, was in no way right. You expect civilised adults like Gibbs to not fall to the level of uncivilised adults (like those spectators who abused Harris).

    The fact that he finished it all of wih all to unspectacular “f****** Pakistanis” made the accident completely unforgivable. One could have argued the initial statment was not neccesserily completely racist (just downright very rude and uncivilised), but the end totally removes any doubts that might have been present about what his “intent” was in saying them.

    But yeah, I’m glad he was punished, I’m actually plesantly surprised. My own estimate was that Gibbs that this woud have been something like a least a level one offence, with a minimum fine of 100% of the match fees or a one-match ban, or something like that, but I think that was because I forgot the referee was Chris Board, who is one of the harsher ones the circuit.

    I also read that Gibbs “apologised” (yeah right) for the “offence he caused” but pleaded not guilty to the charges them selves (thus in effect his apology didn’t mean anything!). Oh how I detest these “sorry, I didn’t mean to cause offense” kind of apologies. And, apparently this is not it, as Cricket South Africa have said he’ll have to appear in front of their disciplinary committee too on Tuesday, I’m presuming this means he could face fuhrer penalties and/or reprimand.

    Interesting to read though what Smithy Boy had to say on the matter, I quote from Cricinfo’s reports:

    “South Africa’s captain, Graeme Smith, agreed that Gibbs’ punishment was merited, but added that his players had been heavily provoked during the match. “Herschelle was down at third man and he was copping a lot of abuse and I think even racial abuse,” said Smith. “The worrying thing is that Pakistan always have a large support base around the world. Security needs to be looked at. “There was an incident where Makhaya [Ntini] was hit on the head by a Pakistan flag going up the stairs,” he added. “The guys were provoked and that is why they are angry but we understand that what Herschelle did was wrong.”

    What in all the world does he mean by “he thinks”, I mean, seriously, I’m stunned, can he think? I didn’t even know, this is breaking news More seriously, did he really try to suggest that all Pakistani spectators across South Africa will be the same? Or wait a second, he’s actually trying to say that all Pakistani spectators across the globe will be the same! So affectively, he’s also calling me a potentially uneducated mindless racist mob! Needless to say, I’m highly offended.

    I’m not sure I like Mickey Arthur’s attempts to defend Gibbs either, here’s what he said:

    “South African coach Mickey Arthur added he was not happy about the stump microphones. “They are a bit intrusive,” he said. “What is said on the field should stay on the field.”

    So he is effectively saying that if you say something racially offensive on the field, its fine because its said on the field! There is reason to debate if stump mics should be or should not be muted for general audience at home, but it should certainly not be muted for the match referee, whose primary job is to check exactly what is said on the field! How Arthur can suggest something so naive like that is bit beyond me. And now I’m thinking South Africa might well have been let away lightly by Board, perhaps there is case here for the Coach and Captain to both have been reprimanded for their comments!

  • Topdeck wrote:
    January 15th, 2007 at 9.15 pm

    So he did say “f****** Pakistanis”? Because I haven’t heard that anywhere else, and was wondering why everyone was saying that calling people animals is racial abuse.

    You can’t abuse the crowd at all of course, but except for the previous comment I haven’t heard that he said anything racially abusive.

  • Zainub wrote:
    January 15th, 2007 at 10.14 pm

    I repeat I have not seen the incident my self, but I will not surprised if there is a video available for everyone to see on You Tube within a while, the f****** comment refrence was made via some one who told me he’d seen it happen.

    Sky News say here http://www.skynews.com.au/sport/story.asp?id=149815
    that he also said that the spectators acted like ‘bunch of hyenas (that should) go back to the zoo’

  • Shahid Afridi Fan wrote:
    January 16th, 2007 at 7.23 am

    these were the exact words:
    f*ing animals.. f*ing go back to the zoo.. f*ing pakistanis

    i really didn’t expect a 2 test match ban…
    pleasantly surprised by that..
    the thing is.. no matter how much the crowd provokes you.. you should just ignore it.. you don’t have to talk back to the crowd.. simple as that..
    and smith saying: pakistani crowds are worrying..
    what in the world does he mean by that??
    what about the south african crowd in australia that was taunting the south african players?
    if another pakistani player had said something to gibs and he reacted to him in the heat of the moment.. that would be more understandable than exchanging words with the crowd..
    if the crowd is causing a problem.. you can just inform the authorities and they can take care of it..

    south africa was not too long ago the most racist place on the planet.. so i guess it will take time for these guys to change their world view..

    i could care less what he has to say about pakistanis.. but if he hates pakistanis so much.. i wonder how much he hates the natives like ntini..

  • ernold same wrote:
    January 16th, 2007 at 12.07 pm

    The irony - chris broad was regularly reprimanded as a player for losing it…dissent, smashing stumps out of the ground…he stopped at nothing.

  • Caroline wrote:
    January 16th, 2007 at 12.10 pm

    Hang on here - I understand that his language was abusive with all the f-ing going on, and personally I wouldn’t disagree with the penalty for that. I thought that talking about the crowd as animals who should go back to the zoo, etc., was aimed at their behaviour, not their nationality, race or ethnicity. But how exactly is calling people from Pakistan, “Pakistanis” racially abusive????? Yes, I get the f-ing stuff is very abusive, but he’s using the term “Pakistani” to describe exactly that - people from Pakistan! Does teaming it with the f word make it racially abusive? In my mind it just makes it an abusive sentence. Look at the context - he’s used it every second word. Sometimes I wonder if the racial abuse tag gets dragged out a tad too often . . .

  • Zainub wrote:
    January 16th, 2007 at 12.16 pm

    And you’re presuming of course Caroline that when he said Pakistanis after his four letter expletives he was only refering to the spectators, because there is no definite and concrete evidence to not think otherwise! Others can or connot hence chose not to make the same presumption and there fore be entitled to take racial offense to his comment, a video of which, I have just found a link to:

    http://cricketvideosunplugged.blogspot.com/2007/01/sounds-like-boucher.html

  • Shahid Afridi Fan wrote:
    January 16th, 2007 at 3.01 pm

    caroline: by the way you describe it..would it be ok for soccer fans to throw bananas at african soccer players in europe.. while making monkey noises.. AND then calling them f*ing africans? instead of saying f*ing n*ers
    by calling them africans.. and not n*ers.. they are not being racist?

  • ernold same wrote:
    January 16th, 2007 at 5.38 pm

    Caroline - The fact he said animals - is implicitly racist - if he’d been copping abuse from football shirted england fans at headingly - do you think this word would have sprung to mind - more like twats, poms, bastards, yobs - or some other angry, but non racist word - in all liklihood. Its impossible to know of course..but its not too hard to imagine that this would have been the case.

  • Topdeck wrote:
    January 16th, 2007 at 9.43 pm

    So if “animal” is racist, is d**khead? Wanker? Poopy-head? Unruly crowd-member?

    Sometimes people act like animals, and sometimes it’s OK to say so. Swearing like that on the stump-mic is not so cool though.

  • ernold same wrote:
    January 17th, 2007 at 1.48 pm

    Maybe Hershelle would get along fine in the big brother house.

  • Nigel wrote:
    January 17th, 2007 at 2.44 pm

    Racism has no place in sport. Period.

    The final ’speech’ delivered by Hersh was the result of a long build up in the cauldron of international sport. This is not a place for sissies and the barrage was directed back from where the preceding sledging had come. This was their spat. If I were Pakistani then I hope that I would see it as that, rather than one young talented cricketer’s effort to abuse my nationality or ethnic group via a disagreement with rowdy spectators.

    Perhaps we need to take ourselves a little less seriously and so I have taken the liberty to add this link to a rather humourous article on the whole thing

    http://sport.iafrica.com/columns/dan_world/591007.htm

  • Zainub wrote:
    January 17th, 2007 at 6.13 pm

    The argument that ’spat’ was b/w Gibbs and a bunch of rowdy spectators is flawed - from what I understanding, the spectators when thrown out of the ground after their behaviour, so not sure who Gibbs was trying to get even with? Even if we presume, for a second, that the spectators hadn’t been ejected by then, it is highly doubtful his comments would have reached them all the way back to the boundary, when he him self was on the square? One can ask, if his comments were meant for more then just those spectators ears’, perhaps if they were meant for people in closer proximity to him, including two of the not out Pakistani batsmen at the time. And that, would be a very valid question. As would be all the other questions Telford Vice has raised in this excellent piece for Cricinfo. So instead of trying to call others hypersenstive, Gibbs and those defending him should try and answer those questions.

  • Will wrote:
    January 17th, 2007 at 6.16 pm

    Seconded. Telford’s piece is excellent.

  • Ameya wrote:
    January 18th, 2007 at 6.47 am

    I am a great Gibbs’ fan, but it would be hard to defend him on this one. The only thing that might be in his defense is that he maybe didn’t intend his comments to be racially abusive, just abusive to some unruly spectators. But to deny the fact that the statements weren’t racially offensive would be foolish. As for the four letter expletive he generously uses, do you really want to know what Pakistani/Indian players are really saying? (Mohammed Asif, I can lipread).

  • ernold same wrote:
    January 18th, 2007 at 6.26 pm

    They could and should have made the ban a great deal longer - atleast six months. Its an insult to pakistan. Every big decision the icc take they seem to get wrong - thus sustaining their image as a colonial old boys club who - sadly the image reflects the reality -i had the misfortune of having dinner with a few of the more high falutin member of the icc a few years back-and one was left with the abiding sense that had i had the courage of my convictions and posited even lukewarm-ish progressive views regarding racial equality, minority interests….I would have been greeted with howls of derisory laughter and a clatter of boarding school style knife and fork banging.

    Mal Loye -top player.

    Theres loads of others who could’ve gone -sales, benning, lumb.

  • Rant0r wrote:
    January 19th, 2007 at 3.22 pm

    bunch of sooks, he wasnt racist, abusive yes, they were being a bunch of tards, he called them pakistani’s, from all reports, shock horror, THEY WERE PAKISTANI, funny tho that he wouldnt have been suspended if it didnt get caught on mic he wouldnt have been suspended, chris broad is an idiot, trying to make a name for himself with controversial decisions because his won career fizzled out

  • cricketer wrote:
    January 25th, 2007 at 4.39 pm

    to say pom is not a derrogatory term is an insult. fairly more meaningful origins than referring to someone simply as an animal

  • Angie wrote:
    January 28th, 2007 at 10.10 am

    Herschelle is not racist he’s mixed race for gods sake

  • Tatum wrote:
    March 17th, 2007 at 5.10 pm

    i’m a 16 year old girl and I just want to say that i am a herschie fan.
    I think that 2 test ban was just a load of nonsense!! he was just defending himself.

    Who wouldn’t defend themselves from being verbally abused? Ok ok, maybe he could have used different words, but he didnt. so ja, what’s done is done. leave the guy alone!!

    I think that what he did was perfectly ok! i see no problem with what he did. if he had said nothing, then i would have been disappointed!

    He is a great batsman for south africa. and i think that he had every right to defend himself!!

  • Rich wrote:
    June 9th, 2008 at 3.23 am

    Firstly, to say ‘Herschelle is not racist he’s mixed race for gods sake’ is possibly the stupidest thing I’ve ever read - just because you are mixed race it doesn’t mean you can’t discriminate against a different race! What a stupid comment.

    Personally his comments could be viewed as racist, but equally he could have called any bunch of fans ‘anima;s’ if they had misbehaved, the more I think about what he said the less I think it’s racist - if someone called the English soccer fans ‘monkeys’, I would say fair enough….it wouldn’t cross my mind to think it was a racist coment……..but then again they are white…….

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