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    Legspin clinics in England

    By Will 2 years ago, mid-September Leave a comment on this post

    John emailed with an interesting problem. His two sons play in league cricket in England. Both are 15-years-old, legspinners and have had success against former county (and international, so says their dad) batsmen. But he’s clueless as to what their next step should be. He’s heard of David Parsons, England’s head of spin (and not in the style of Alistair Campbell), but it begs the question: what is the next step? What do kids of that age group who desperately want to learn, and are convinced are good enough to attract counties, do?

    I made some suggestions to him but it’d be interesting to hear from readers. Have you or your sons (yes yes, and daughters) ever attended a “spin clinic”? How did you hear about it? etcetera etcetera

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    11 Responses to “Legspin clinics in England”

  • Hammy wrote:
    September 21st, 2006 at 10.55 pm

    Don’t send your daughters to a spin clinic if it’s run by Warney.

  • leithj wrote:
    September 22nd, 2006 at 2.16 am

    Come to Australia and get in line behind the thousands of other “talented” leg spinners.

  • ty wrote:
    September 22nd, 2006 at 8.39 am

    you should speak to someone from your counties’ board or the ECB. terry jenner regularly has ’spin clinic’ sessions in the UK.

  • Rolla wrote:
    September 22nd, 2006 at 3.24 pm

    You need to get a county trial for one of the age-group teams, usually held in the Autumn. Once you’re in that you’re likely to have access to coaching in spin-bowling and perhaps one of the Terry Jenner clinics. If you contact your county board - they’re all on the web - they can advise you of the trials they run and the next step. This time of year is ideal to make contact.

  • ernold same wrote:
    September 23rd, 2006 at 6.57 am

    Get their school,or their club to write to the county under 15/16 coaches….there will be trials over the winter. Or you can put yourself forward -via letter.

    If they play their cricket or live inside a ‘minor county’ then its also an idea to conatact the cricket development officer, at the nearest major county, as first class obviously have alot more going on and are generally more clued in re -nets/coaching/trials.

    Cricket development officers can also put you in touch with people who do one to one coaching- although leg spin is such a tricky area to coach- not that many people know how to coach it properly.
    So be careful who you end up seeking coaching from.

    There used to be an oz living in england by the name of philpott -not sure whether hes still going who is a world on leg spin- maybe you can google him.

    Bob Cottam- ex england coach also does freelance work.

    Rememeber -leg spin is like wicketkeeping- its such a specialist area- so natural talent isnt enough- you need a fair bit of direction and coaching if you want to get good at it.

  • Rajeev wrote:
    September 23rd, 2006 at 9.58 am

    I think you are talking about Peter Philpott, who wrote the very wonderful and book The Art of Wrist-Spin bowling. He was also a former Aussie Test player, and leg-spinner, playing in between Benaud’s time and Hohn’s, which was somwehre in the the late 60s. He is kinda old right now; so I wonder whether he is still coaches. Anyways, I have no idea about the English county recruitment system, but I would think that t they should be playing at the club level or with county second XIs. I would assume that they need a lot of bowling, especially to players who can play it well, so that they can learn, which would mean playing in grade cricket in Oz, or India, if he has the stomach for it. They seem to be a little young for the overseas club cricket routine right away, so they need to find a good county second XI where they can learn a lot. Being a leg-spinner myself, I agree with ernold about it being a very specialist area requiring specialized coaching. This ensures you don’t develop bad habits and learn the right things faster. It’s kinda important that the coach be (or has been) a good leg-spinner himself in the first place, so I wonder whether there are many Englishmen that fit the fill here.

  • Woodyway wrote:
    September 24th, 2006 at 11.10 pm

    Did you sleep with Phillpott?I said did you sleep with Phillpott?
    Anyway,bu–er spin clinics.The way this country is going we are going to need health clinics.

  • ZULFI ALI wrote:
    December 14th, 2006 at 9.16 pm

    Hi, I wonder if i can contact david parsons, he is the current head of spin bowling, my son is 14 years old but for last 2 years i,ve seen him playing in the garden and spining leg spin bowling with such hugge turns just like shane warne, i was amazed and asked him to do it again, and he showed me, and now he plays for dartmouth cricket club, with top wicket take..I need in anyway to get to professionla level..he has just has to be seen to appreciate it..he love playing for england..i have also thought about going to the World Cricket Academy in Mumbai INDIA..please someone help

  • Rod Ketels wrote:
    December 16th, 2006 at 6.52 pm

    Hi,
    Appreciate what problems you have in getting good consistant coaching of leg spin.Seems once kids get to about your sons age it is hard to get mentoring help to take them to the next level.
    We had Pete Phillpot in NZ for coaching and he is very good,encouraging the individual flair of each boy,and not overcoaching,but this was a one off.
    Not sure what happens in Aussie but I guess boys get plenty of help/coaching there on the hard spinning wickets that suit leg spin over there.
    I am interested to hear from anyone in Aussie or about the Mumbai academy also.

  • Rajeev wrote:
    January 9th, 2007 at 1.18 pm

    Well, Woodyway, I agree with you - bugger spin clinics (for Englishmen) . You cannot straighten a dog’s tail, and likewise you can’t teach an Englishman how to bowl good leg-spin. Anyways, typifies the attitude of a typical Englishman - thinks that the spinner a caretaker of the ball between when Harmisons bowls second slip wides with it.
    Anyways, even the best of tem needed help - a lot of help actually, but he was the best, so he lapped it all up quickly. Warne could just spin the ball like a top when he started off. He had a miserably lazy action with poor follow through and didn’t have too many variations. He bowled without the intensity and strategies of today (legstump line and around the wicket). He was coached well by several people including Jenner and Bob Simpson who taught him the the slider, which he originally learnt from Peter Philpott. My point is that Warne would have been nowhere without the all round care that he got from the Boards and the Academies, captains and coaches Without the fine tuning, his debut figures more or less reflect how he would have ended up without the improvements.
    And no Woodyway, I didn’t engage in any dubious activity with Mr. Philpott. Maybe when you praise somebody, prior sexual encounters that you have had force you into giving favorable references and you are just extending from your life experiences - it was a bit of a digression but thatx for providing us a window into your life, and we’ll watch out for the next time you have anything positive to say about any guy because we know where that’s all coming from.
    For all those apart from Woody, Peter Philpott is a renowned spin bowler who played in the NSW team along with Richie Benaud and Bob Simpson and did not get an opportunity in the Test side because of Benaud (who was also the Aussie captain). Subsequently he played a few tests but I think he retired to pursue his day job of teaching. He is the most respected leg-spin coach by far, and he has coached Sri Lanka, English counties and several other places. He was also Stuart Mcgill’s coach, who has tormented Englishmen (among several other spinners) in Warne’s absence.

    I think that he did some coaching in Mumbai for some Indian spinners but I don;t know whether it has anything to do with the Spin academy at Mumbai. I would still advise you to get the book though - it is excellently written and worth much more than the crap dime - a dozen ‘I got an MBE too’ autobiographies that were churned out last summer.

  • Alam wrote:
    June 19th, 2008 at 9.21 pm

    I am 15 and have only recently learned to bowl a leg break. I don’t get huge revelotions but have googlies and overspinners. I don’t play for a club and have not had any coaching whatsoever so I was wondering if anyone knew where I should go from here?

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