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    A Question

    By Scott 2 years ago, mid-August Leave a comment on this post

    If England’s cricket is going so well, why is there so much media debate about who should be in the team?

    Why, no one can even work out who is going to be the captain in Australia. And let’s not even mention the one-day lineup

    Just asking!

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    15 Responses to “A Question”

  • Kathy wrote:
    August 13th, 2006 at 4.18 am

    Because English cricket “going so well” is based only on the last two Tests, against a substandard Pakistani side.

    Here to back me up is Tim de Lisle in the Sunday Times today: “I don’t think we should get too excited about beating Pakistan, who have played quite bizarrely. The way they produced one of the great partnerships of all time and nothing else, the way they kept running themselves out, it all harked back to the days when the whiff of match-fixing was in the air. Their bowling has been so accommodating that it is hard to say whether Alastair Cook has really arrived at Test level yet; he certainly won’t be giving Warne sleepless nights yet.”

    So many positions from the captaincy on down, are up for grabs. A lot of talented players but a pretty unstable side, with players’ form varying wildly from series to series and match to match.

    Contrast to last June/July when all the selectors had to do was choose two from Thorpe, Bell and Pietersen. The rest of the side was as stable as can be.

  • Reverse Swing wrote:
    August 13th, 2006 at 8.26 am

    I think we actually have a pretty settled side at the moment - in terms of Duncan Fletcher having a good idea of 10 out of the 11 he’d call his first choice team.

    If you take the Oval 2005 team as your base, the only player who has been dropped from that side is Geraint Jones… all the other changes have been forced through injury.

    We’ve got a very strong front six batting line up, which either stays strong when Flintoff comes back, or becomes a strong front seven with a handy keeper/batsman and eight.

    There’s a couple of questions in the bowling attack, but nothing that’s going to keep you awake at night.

    As for Pakistan, you can only beat who you’re up against. What would De Lisle have us do - give them a 200 run start?

  • Alan R wrote:
    August 13th, 2006 at 8.39 am

    What’s going well for England cricket is that, less than a year after the Ashes winners got beaten by Pakistan, and when it’s England and not Pakistan that have since been ravaged by injuries (no disrespect to Shoaib Akhtar, whom I hope to see playing at the 1st ODI), it’s the Pakistan side that Tim de Lisle can dismiss as substandard. Maybe they were substandard because of crappy hotels: http://in.sports.yahoo.com/060812/139/66mk5.html

    As for why the confusion about who should play and in what role? Ankle surgery is one obvious reason. Strauss has done well as captain, and his health seems to be solid (and at less risk than others because he doesn’t bowl). With Freddie, he was a pretty good captain (though with a tendency to overbowl himself), but will he be fully recovered for the start of the Ashes? There’s a risk that Freddie’s ankle could become like Vaughan’s knee and drag on the captaincy controversy into the 2009 Ashes. There’s something to be said to sticking to a decision about the captaincy rather than wavering according to the circumstances, but clearly it was a premature decision to award the captaincy to Flintoff.

    Another “problem” is too many good top-order batsmen. If Flintoff can bat but not bowl, it’s questionable whether any batsman should be dropped to give him a place. No one has dared to say this, but it might be better to rest Freddie for a test if it means he can bowl in the next one rather than drop Cook or Bell (and don’t even think about dropping Collingwood if Freddie can’t bowl, though he might be the likely one to drop if Freddie’s ankle is 100% solid).

    As for the bowlers, apart from the pleasant surprise that is Monty, there are some holes. The ideal bowling attack would be Flintoff, Panesar, Harmison, Hoggard and Jones. If one of the quicks can’t bowl, then you substitute Mahmoud. But who is next in line after that? Plunkett? Anderson? Lewis? Collingwood? I think England will bring strong top-order batting to Australia. I hope they bring enough bowling firepower to take all the wickets they need.

  • Kathy wrote:
    August 13th, 2006 at 8.45 am

    Well, Reverse Swing, to be fair to Tim De Lisle, his very next comment was: “But you can only play what’s there and England sealed the series with verve.” (as you said too)

    There’s nothing like selective quoting!

    I still say the selectors have many decisions to make before Brisbane in November — captain, wicketkeeper, batting and bowling.

  • Reverse Swing wrote:
    August 13th, 2006 at 8.54 pm

    Kathy - hats off for your honesty on the De Lisle quote - I’m not a Torygraph reader so wouldn’t have called you out on it!

    Agree there’s questions to be answered before 23/11, but in nearly all the areas where questions remain, there are alternative positive answers rather than a ‘lesser of two evils’ solution.

    Jones or Read?
    Which six batsmen out of a possible eight or nine?
    Gilo or Monty?
    Captain… Flintoff or Strauss?

  • Bowman wrote:
    August 13th, 2006 at 9.17 pm

    Assuming Simon Jones and Vaughan aren’t fit enough, i think the test side should be-

    1.Tres
    2.Strauss
    3.Cook
    4.Pietersen
    5.Collingwood
    6.Bell
    7.Flintoff
    8.Read
    9.Monty
    10.Harmison
    11.Hoggard

    As for the one day side, i don’t acctually care.

  • japaddy wrote:
    August 14th, 2006 at 2.26 am

    I imagine that Bowman’s 11 would be the popular choice, and it is a very competitve line-up, a little brittle in the bowling dept, and green in the batting dept.
    Australia have their worries too, age, an unsettled middle order a third seamer.

    The whole thing is just so bloody exciting, is England ready to assume the mantle of no1 test playing nation?, can Australia hang on for an emotional swan song on home turf?. Or will the world blow up before a ball is bowled?

  • Kathy wrote:
    August 14th, 2006 at 2.46 am

    Yeah, I think you’re probably right on all those things, japaddy, except for the last! Despite what the media would have us believe, I think the world was a much more dangerous place back in the middle of the Cold War. But people have very short memories!

  • japaddy wrote:
    August 14th, 2006 at 3.40 am

    Kathy, i hope your right, however if the apocalypse does come, could it come just prior to the tri-angular one day series.

  • Kathy wrote:
    August 14th, 2006 at 3.46 am

    Agreed!

    Even if us Kiwis are in it.

    Then again, I’d like to see our Vettori out-bowl the sainted Monty.

  • japaddy wrote:
    August 14th, 2006 at 5.41 am

    I don’t want to sound sanctimonious, but is it proper to sanctify a sikh?

  • Kathy wrote:
    August 14th, 2006 at 5.51 am

    Oh, I’m bound to have put my foot in it.

    Remind me — are you an Anglo-Aussie? You’re talking in the wrong timeframe to be in England….

  • japaddy wrote:
    August 14th, 2006 at 8.10 am

    That’s right Kathy, with a little Italian blood, but i don’t mention that on Cricket blogs.

  • Michael wrote:
    August 15th, 2006 at 2.31 am

    I thought that de Lisle’s comments were about right - sports reporting far too often appears to be bi polar - manic triumphalism and the reaffirmation of national identity when on the up and spiteful self loathing when not winning.

    Pakistan are always a joy to watch - I’m never sure from one session to the next, let alone one match or series to another, what is going to be served up. They were not at full strength, but one could not fault the way that England put them away in the last Test.

  • Kathy wrote:
    August 15th, 2006 at 3.13 am

    I couldn’t agree more, Michael. And it’s not just the team’s performance, it’s individual players. A few weeks ago we were being treated to full page treatises on what a liability Monty was in the field, and now he’s God. In the words of John Travolta, when asked about the pastings and the praise he has received in his up and down career, he said: “I was never that good and I was never that bad.”

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